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  Is Jesus and Michael the Archangel the same person?

  by JW Answers in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the jehovah's witnesses believe that jesus christ and michael the archangel are the same person, and blatently ignore numerous verses and passages within scripture which explain that both jesus and michael are two separate persons.this video study (linked below) goes into the intricacies of hebrews chapters 1+2 explaining how the lord jesus and michael are different persons, and looks at the qualities, authority and power at which the lord jesus holds and how it is separate from angels including michael the archangel..

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  Yez.

  Yez day iz.

  They both am imagularry.

  - Bro. I. B. Elder, SoMBitz
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  Check out the JW tchotchkes on Etsy

  by exjwlemming in

  1. social
  2. humour

  i'm interested in seeing what jw trinket on etsy is the most appalling to the exjw community.

  go to www.etsy.com and just search jw.

  just when i thought that i found the most disturbing item, another comes along to top it.

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  EXJWLEMMING, you earn BONUS POINTS for using the word "tchotchkes"!

  Well done!
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  Research help needed: knowledge of Knights Templar and Masonic history vital

  by Fay Dehr in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  i am in conversation with a uk historian regarding some knights templar locations, where jws have built buildings.

  *** this is serious research - not a joke *** .

  i am not - and do not wish to be - a conspiracy theorist, but something has come to light in the uk and i lack the knowledge of knights templar + masons.

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  I would suggest that a good place to begin might be Wikipedia, but you've probably already looked there. The Wiki articles will provide links to other articles that will lead you right down the bunny hole.

  Let me also suggest you look into the idea that many of these places of power are found at the intersections of ley lines - a subject about which I know nothing.

  Happy trails to you!
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  Screwed up sexually

  by purrpurr in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i was thinking about how the borg screws up and sexually neuters their flock by telling them when single to "deaden their body" and then boom as soon as there's a ring on the finger to not be denying eachother.. do any of you know of jws who have been screwed up by these teachings?

  i know 2, 1 elder came back from honeymoon having a nervous breakdown unable to cope with the cd that sex produced in his head.

  and the other called up her parents while on honeymoon, crying and begging for themto come and get her, since she was so shocked that sex hurt.

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  IF you really are "screwed up sexually," you may be doing it RIGHT! More power to you!
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  Without god what is the basis of morality?

  by OneEyedJoe in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i'm sure most here who've questioned or left behind their belief in god have encountered this question - without god, what basis can there be for morality?

  my exwife, when i admitted that i was an atheist, once asked me "if you don't believe in god, what's to stop you from going out and raping and murdering?

  " previously, whenever i got this objection, i would tend to turn it around on the other person with a response along the lines of "if fear of god is the only thing that stops you from murdering, that makes me rather nervous to be around you.

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  "Without God, what is the basis for sound nutritional practices? What is to stop me from starving myself or becoming a glutton? How can I be sure I won't commit hyponatremia or dehydrate myself? I'M SO SCARED!"

  People can be unbearably goofy, as readers of my posts will attest.

  Readers of my posts will also find their vocabularies and grammatical skills gently stretched. Thus they will slowly overcome the educational deficiencies imposed on them by a certain cult.

  "Listen to me now, und danke me later." -- Hans
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  "One drop of poison in a glass of water"

  by stuckinarut2 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  time to revive this well known, and often used jw illustration!.

  "if you are in desperate need of a drink of water, and the glass in front of you is 99% clean, but contains just 1% poison, would you drink it??".

  how often we heard this trotted out from the platform.. recently though, i have heard many examples of still-in jws sharing their observations about things that don't seem quite right with the current activities, direction and culture of the organization.

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  DOUBTFULL1799, I wonder if the WTB&TS was still suffering pangs of conscience over their earlier endorsement of medical "junk science" like radium cures and the Electronic Radio Biola, which arre discussed in the book "Demonism and the Watchtower" which is available from LuLu.com.
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  "One drop of poison in a glass of water"

  by stuckinarut2 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  time to revive this well known, and often used jw illustration!.

  "if you are in desperate need of a drink of water, and the glass in front of you is 99% clean, but contains just 1% poison, would you drink it??".

  how often we heard this trotted out from the platform.. recently though, i have heard many examples of still-in jws sharing their observations about things that don't seem quite right with the current activities, direction and culture of the organization.

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  "One drop of poison in a glass of water" sounds like the essence of homeopathy to me, and plenty of JWs are into that pre-scientific claptrap about how "vibrations" rule the universe.

  From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia - Homeopathy

  Homeopathy or homœopathy is a system of alternative medicine developed in 1796 by Samuel Hahnemann, based on his doctrine of "like cures like," a claim that a substance that causes the symptoms of a disease in healthy people would cure similar symptoms in sick people. Homeopathy is a pseudoscience – a belief that is incorrectly presented as scientific. Homeopathic preparations are not effective for treating any condition; large-scale studies have found homeopathy to be no more effective than a placebo, indicating that any positive effects that follow treatment are only due to the placebo effect, normal recovery from illness, or regression toward the mean.

  Hahnemann believed the underlying causes of disease were phenomena that he termed miasms, and that homeopathic preparations addressed these. The preparations are manufactured using a process of homeopathic dilution, in which a chosen substance is repeatedly diluted in alcohol or distilled water, each time with the containing vessel being struck against an elastic material, commonly a leather-bound book. Dilution typically continues well past the point where no molecules of the original substance remain. Homeopaths select homeopathics by consulting reference books known as repertories, and by considering the totality of the patient's symptoms, personal traits, physical and psychological state, and life history.

  Homeopathy is not a plausible system of treatment, as its dogmas about how drugs, illness, the human body, liquids and solutions operate are contradicted by a wide range of discoveries across biology, psychology, physics and chemistry made in the two centuries since its invention. Although some clinical trials produce positive results, multiple systematic reviews have indicated that this is because of chance, flawed research methods, and reporting bias. Homeopathic practice has been criticized as unethical because it discourages the use of effective treatments, with the World Health Organization warning against using homeopathy to try to treat severe diseases such as HIV and malaria. The continued practice of homeopathy, despite a lack of evidence of efficacy, has led to it being characterized within the scientific and medical communities as nonsense, quackery, and a sham.

  There have been four large scale assessments of homeopathy by national or international bodies: the Australian National Health and Medical Research Council; the United Kingdom's House of Commons Science and Technology Committee; the European Academies' Science Advisory Council; and the Swiss Federal Health Office. Each concluded that homeopathy is ineffective, and recommended against the practice receiving any further funding. The National Health Service in England has announced a policy of not funding homeopathic medicine because it is "a misuse of resources". They have called on the UK Department of Health to add homeopathic remedies to the blacklist of forbidden prescription items.

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  FROM http://www.rcinet.ca/en/2018/02/08/scientific-anger-over-college-degree-in-homeopathy/ --

  Scientific anger over college degree in homeopathy

  By Marc Montgomery | [email protected]

  Thursday 8 February, 2018

  A number of medical and scientific personnel are expressing their shock at an Ontario Community College.

  Starting this fall, Georgian College in Barrie, Ontario, will offer a diploma in homeopathy, a practice the critics says is mere quackery.

  The critics are also upset that public money is helping fund the three-year course as the community college is publicly funded institution and students can request loans and grants from the publicly supported Ontario Student Assistance Programme.
  

  The critics say the college course is legitimising a pseudo-science. In a 1998 editorial in the Journal of the American Medical Association, Drs Fontanarosa and Lundberg wrote in part; “There is no alternative medicine. There is only scientifically proven, evidence-based medicine supported by solid data, or unproven medicine, for which scientific evidence is lacking”.

  In an open letter to the local paper the Barrie Advance, Dr. Chris Giorshev wrote in part that the otherwise respected college “has recently drifted into teaching pseudo-science by introducing a homeopathy program”.
  

  Saying that homeopathy makes no scientific sense he wonders how such a course could “even be delivered ethically” then adds,”A harmful consequence of offering homeopathy at colleges is that it gives it an air of legitimacy. This greater perceived respectability will inevitably lead people to assume, quite wrongly, that homeopathy is a valid form of medical treatment”.

  In a PostMedia article, Joe Schwarcz, director of McGill University’s Office for Science and Society is quoted saying, “The real danger in homeopathy is not toxicology — there’s nothing in there,” he added. “The real danger is toxicity to the mind because it can convince people to go down this ridiculous route when there actually might be treatments that can work for whatever condition they have.”

  Homeopathy became a licenced profession in the province of Ontario in 2015, which also raised criticism at the time and since as giving some degree of legitimacy to the field.

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  FROM https://www.rt.com/news/418444-ontario-college-homeopathy-pseudoscience/ --

  ‘3yrs of pseudoscience nonsense’: Canadian college forced to scrap homeopathy program

  Published time: 11 Feb, 2018 03:03

  A college in the Canadian province of Ontario has been forced to cancel its established three-year course in homeopathy after critics said the publicly funded institution is wasting taxpayers money on “pseudoscience.”

  Georgian College in Barrie has created a three-year advanced diploma program aimed at teaching students “classical and contemporary homeopathic principles and techniques in the evaluation and treatment of acute and chronic health conditions,” based on “individualized, holistic and natural approaches to health and healing.” However, as soon as the program was publicly announced for next fall, it came under pressure from a local physician eager to shut the course down.

  Ontario was the first province in Canada to regulate homeopathy in 2015 after the province’s Homeopathy Act (2007) came into force. The act formalized regulation for all professional homeopaths and created the College of Homeopaths of Ontario (CHO) to which all practitioners must belong. The unique six-semester program at Georgian College was designed to meet the requirements of the CHO, which falls under the jurisdiction of the Ministry of Health and Long-Term Care.

  However, staunch opposition to the program forced the publicly funded Georgian College to shut down its alternative medicine course over accusations of promoting “pseudoscience” and “magical thinking.” Local physician, Chris Giorshev, who chairs the Ontario Medical Association’s section on chronic pain, also accused the college of using “publicly funded health dollars for quackery.”

  Homeopathy is a pseudoscience and this alone should be sufficient to reject the inclusion of such a program at a publicly funded institution,” Giorshev wrote in a letter to Ontario’s minister of advanced education and skills development, as well as the community college’s board and president. “There are at least 12 international organizations that have evaluated the literature and again and again they find homeopathy does nothing,” Giorshev, was quoted as saying by the National Post.

  “To put students through three years of nonsense so that they can go out and practice placebo treatments is totally unfair to those students and it’s unfair to the public,” added Joe Schwarcz, director of McGill University’s Office of Science and Society, in an interview with CBC.

  While the college defended its program as late as Friday morning, by afternoon it had announced the closure of the advanced diploma homeopathy course. “In light of the recent response from our local community and beyond ... Georgian College has made the decision to cancel the homeopathy program,” the college said in a statement.

  While welcoming the “fantastic” news of the program cancellation, Giorshev however told Barrie Today he is still “concerned that it was introduced to begin with” and that “homeopathy is still considered a regulated profession.”

  Invented in 1796 by German physician Samuel Hahneman, homeopathy is defined by the CHO to be “a system of medicine” based on the principle of “let likes be cured by likes,” which means that a substance that causes particular symptoms in healthy people should somehow cure similar symptoms in sick people. As of March 31, 2017, two years after proclamation of the Homeopathy Act 2007, the College of Homeopaths of Ontario had issued certificates of registration to 486 homeopaths.

  The controversial practice has been long disputed worldwide. In 2009, the World Health Organization cautiously warned against relying on homeopathy in treating a select range of diseases, including HIV, tuberculosis, malaria, influenza and infant diarrhea. In 2015 the National Health and Medical Research Council of Australia said that there is no evidence that homeopathy is effective, adding that people who choose this treatment put their health at risk. homeopathy Last year, the Russian Academy of Sciences called homeopathy a “pseudoscience” with no scientific basis, saying its methods contradict chemical, physical and biological laws.
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  Lengthy letter re: End Time Events / read ONLY if you still believe in God.

  by mother Teresa in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  shalom,.

  my mom's family is mostly jws.

  during her second marriage, i attended the weekly meeting and sunday meetings (by my own choice) with a family in the very small town we lived, since my mom didn’t attend.

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  Nota Bene:

  POMO = physically out, mentally out

  PIMO = physically in, mentally out

  PM = private message (posted on this discussion board)

  de nada
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  …Is Jehovah Actively Exposing The Wicked Watchtower Society In The Child Abuse Cases? (Ezekiel 36:12)

  by MADMARY in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  ezekiel 36:3-15 tells us about a “bad report” that would go out among the nations about apostate israel.

  verse 12 of this chapter shows us that jehovah takes a direct hand in this affair in fighting against his own people.

  so we can ask, are we today seeing god’s active hand against the watchtower society in exposing the child abuse cases among jehovah’s witnesses around the world?

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  Data_Dog revealed, "I thought Jehovah was one of Freddie’s shoes??"

  This is an example of what happens when a brother fails to keep up with my chariot-like postings.

  The Sock-Puppet revelation was offered a long time ago. How long I don't know, 'cause I just write this stuff, I don't read it.

  (selah)
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  Lengthy letter re: End Time Events / read ONLY if you still believe in God.

  by mother Teresa in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  shalom,.

  my mom's family is mostly jws.

  during her second marriage, i attended the weekly meeting and sunday meetings (by my own choice) with a family in the very small town we lived, since my mom didn’t attend.

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  I'm an atheist. I violated your prime directive and there ain't nothin' you or your Lord and Father can do 'bout it.

  Blessed be.